Posts by Bungi Bill

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How many of you followed the WTS direction on education years ago and have been screwed by it?

by Julia Orwell in

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i'm really interested in this question because i've heard for years that if you forgo further education and go pioneering, when you have a family down the track you will get a good job because jehovah will provide for you because you pioneered.

as long as i was a kool-aid drinker, even then, i thought, "how does pioneering pay your bills?

surely education should come first.

Bungi Bill

I plead guilty to that.

In our part of the world, the JWs took the pre-1975 hype even further, and tended to condemn any of their young people who even entered into a trade in during years. I was firstly prevented from going to university (even though a large company had offered to sponsor me), and then 12 months later was made to pull out of the apprenticeship that I had just entered in the telecommunications industry.

With the assistance of some contacts my father had in the industry, I was later able to complete an apprenticeship in a related field (electrician). At the conclusion of this, my employer wanted to put me through the diploma course at polytech. However, my wife of the time strenuously objected , claiming that the "children now needed a father". She was quite correct about that, of course - a trade apprenticeship while you are an adult is murder on family life. I did, though, manage to complete a paper in Advanced Trade studies. That was enough to at least get me into the branch of the electrical trade (i.e. test work) that I was most interested in. Some in the congregation had the daggers out for me for even doing this. However, by that time I knew enough about what was what to (mentally, at least) give them the good old two-fingered salute!

These days, I have the good fortune to be working at a site where they are prepared to employ me as an engineer: - regarding my advanced trade qualifications to be adequate, when coupled together with my extensive industry experience. To buttress this further, I am presently in the process of applying for membership of the Institute of Engineers as an Engineering Associate.

This is not a course, though, that I would recommend to anyone. If I had my time over again, I would have without hesitation undertaken the degree course.

At 58 years of age, I shudder to think of what my lot would now be if I had not at least managed to get into a trade while still a young adult:

- the temperatures outside have been up to 48 Degrees Celsius this summer, and dragging a jack hammer around all day for a living in those conditions is definitely work for young men!

Of course, the real victims in all this tomfoolery were my three children. For that, the WTS should be collectively shot with a ball of their own $h*t!

Bill.

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It Takes a B.A. to Find a Job as a File Clerk

by 00DAD in

it takes a b.a.

to find a job as a file clerk.

by catherine rampell | new york times wed, feb 20, 2013 10:52 am est.

Bungi Bill

As the economy begins to worsen (in this part of the world, at least) and workers are made redundant, I see this happening a lot:

- Persons like me, who are abundant in straight-out practical experience (having done just about everything it is possible to do in the industry) but who are weak on academic qualifications, get retrenched.

- While they retain those with high academic qualifications, but whose practical experience with anything ranges from the meagre to the non-existent.

Ironically, at the same time as this pattern has been developing over the last 25 years, the skills base (particularly that now-endangered species, Common Sense!) has deteriorated at about the same pace.

We witnessed an example of this here in yesterday's lightning storm, which threatened to shut the whole operation down for up to 12 hours. In earlier times, if a point was supplied through several different high voltage power lines, these would be routed in different directions, so that the same lightning storm would be unlikely to take out both. However, the hot-shot characters who designed this power system saw fit to run the two high voltage lines side by side - almost gauranteeing that both will be tripped out by the same lightning hit.

This is just one example of the near-extinction of common sense that I could cite:

- the rest would nearly fill a volume.

(The observations of a grumpy old man!)

Bill.

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Why do witnesses need the title of pioneer to get 30 hours?

by BU2B in

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if witnesses believe that we truly are in the end of the end of the last days, and they believe the work they do will really save lives, and most can just make a few adjustments and get 30 hours, why dont they do this more often??

without the title?.

to me if you really care about people you would not wait until you have a special title or badge to wear of look at me im pioneering, you would do the most you can every month and not care about recognition from men.

Bungi Bill

Taking what BU2B says one step further;

- if a major catastrophe such as the End of the World was really "just around the corner", and the JWs were genuinely interested in warning people about this, they would surely be using much more effective means of sounding that warning.

Around where I live, there have recently been a series of disastrous bushfires. Luckily for us, the Emergency Services didn't send a group of volunteers walking from door to door to warn people to evacuate:

- more like broadcasts by TV and radio; then finally, warnings sounded through the loud-hailers on the Emergency Service vehicles.

If "The End" was indeed as close as the JWs try to have you believe (or indeed, if there is even an "End" coming at all) then they would surely need to use more effective means of warning people. (On the other hand, if matters are not so urgent that effective means of sounding a warning are not required, then that is an admission that everything they have been preaching for the last 130 years is just 24-carat nonsense!)

Bill.

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December 15 Watchtower --- A New Low in WT Anti-Intellectualism

by Room 215 in

i wonder whether any of you took note of the article in the 12/15 study edition wt "the simplified watchtower .. why introduced" i couldn't believe they actually had the temerity to put such tripe into print and onto the record.. i was flat-out astonished with its put-down of vocabulary building and self-improvement:.

one egregious example: " the time spent looking up words and explaining expressions (ostensibly from the "smart people's" watchtower) is now spent gaining an understanding of the scriptures and how they fit into the lesson.".

one jw cited in the article actually blames her college education for causing her to fall into the bad habit of "speaking and thinking a way that was more complicated than necessary.

Bungi Bill

All I can say is that things have altered immensely from the days of F.W. Franz, when (like in a 1972 Awake) words such as "revivify" often appeared:

- I can well remember having to consult a dictionary over that one, just to confirm that there was such a word in the English language!

What Rocketman says is quite correct - and a sad commentary on the (only) type of persons attracted by WTS sales techniques.

Bill.

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Your Saturday Time Puke

by Kool Jo in

so i'm sure some of you have seen this already...but read this crap that was sent to me this morning, while i was sleeping in.

it was sent to me by an uber dub in my former congregation....i think it's a chain message:.

if someone asks about your educational background, proclaim boldly that:.

Bungi Bill

"Receiving Everlasting Life is my Degree"

I would have thought the only degree attainable from the Kingdom Hall College is a Bachelor of Stupidity!

Bill.

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What is your religious belief now?

by jwfacts in

i have a new poll at jwfacts.mobi/pollsarchive/ as i am very interested to see what people have moved on to believe.

as this is considered sensitive by some, you can answer anonymously at the jwfacts.mobi/pollsarchive/, or answer on this thread.

this is what i have created in the list, but feel free to add comments, corrections, or options i have missed.. .

Bungi Bill

I identify with what is currently the fastet growing "religious belief" in this country - i.e. No Religion.

Bill.

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When did the WBT$ start to break up families?

by punkofnice in

as you all know since i became a 'mentally diseased apostate that the jehu elders should slaughter(tm)' my wife left me and ripped our family apart.. the elders are convinced it's all my fault that the family suffered although i was the one trying to hold it all together.. i just read greybeard's story about his wife leaving.. how many of you have had family break ups as a result of the heartless and selfish wbt$ corporation?.

is this just a recent trend?.

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Bungi Bill

From about Day One.

Although - it certainly intensified from late 1981 onward, when the WTS invented the term "Disassociated", and applied to that the same stigma as "Disfellowshipped."

Bill.

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Sex and drugs in university

by Xanthippe in

so this jw friend that got in touch out of the blue a few months ago after 24 years of shunning us agrees that the borg is not keen on university.

it is so difficult to keep to your principles because of all the immorality there according to her.

yes same old story we have been hearing for years.. if that is the case they should be fine with distance learning.

Bungi Bill

Many, including myself, have observed that it isn't just on campus that young persons can get themselves into trouble with substance abuse;

- although the WTS makes in sound like it is (Bearing in mind that "substance abuse" can also include the abuse of that carbonated beverage, usually packaged in a brown bottle).

Try the workplace, for one - as I found out as a vulnerable 17 year old! Then after that, I saw it raised to the level of a fine art when I shared a flat with three other young "brothers."

Bill.

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Sex and drugs in university

by Xanthippe in

so this jw friend that got in touch out of the blue a few months ago after 24 years of shunning us agrees that the borg is not keen on university.

it is so difficult to keep to your principles because of all the immorality there according to her.

yes same old story we have been hearing for years.. if that is the case they should be fine with distance learning.

Bungi Bill

fulltimestudent,

Very interesting - yet no surprise.

As an aside, I was taught to drink by that same elder who persuaded my father not to send me to university. This fellow certainly knew what beer was for, and sad to say, I was an excellent student! Later on he was accepted for Gilead. By the sound of things, he was well qualified.

Bill.

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Sex and drugs in university

by Xanthippe in

so this jw friend that got in touch out of the blue a few months ago after 24 years of shunning us agrees that the borg is not keen on university.

it is so difficult to keep to your principles because of all the immorality there according to her.

yes same old story we have been hearing for years.. if that is the case they should be fine with distance learning.

Bungi Bill

So, instead, a young person drops out of school and instead, gets a job:

- because sex, drugs and alcohol abuse don't exist in the workplace, do they?

In my time, I was prevented from going to university by an elder that had some sway over my non-JW father. Yet only a few months after that, I quickly discovered that these "university" things existed in great measure in the workplace, as well.

(40 years ago in our part of the world, drugs weren't a big thing - but promiscuity and heavy drinking and certainly were!)

Bill.